Bury Teahouse Discussion


From Refuge To Freedom, Thursday 28th August 2008

This session involved a group of refugees and people seeking asylum, mainly women and from a variety of backgrounds, who meet at the Mosses Community Centre, and took place at The Met performing arts venue in the centre of Bury.

I felt this was a really interesting and strong discussion though it was difficult for various reasons. For example, the topics were emotionally difficult for the participants, travel to the venue created logistical problems (I wonder if the session would have been better at the Mosses community centre where the group normally meet?) and the sense of creating something from complex, personal and tough subject matter in such a tiny amount of time was ambitious.

From an initial stimulus from me, the group of about ten participants began by discussing the length of time they have to wait for a decision from the Home Office and the conditions of their lives and how thay can deal with it during that time. There were a range of very moving accounts along with some participants who found it too emotionally difficult to recount their feelings and experiences.

The question arose as to whether they could feel able to raise their concerns and issues, which felt impossible for fear of being penalised. Outside Manchester as a centre there are no public expressions of support, and the tone of the localities in the outer boroughs defaults to an assumed anti-refugee mentality. The possibilities of a collective voice in combination with local supporters seemed to be worthwhile, such as a well-attended demonstration or dedicated public festival (this theme was also previously mentioned by Ray Collett at the Bolton Teahouse discussion). A smaller and simpler possibility would be to create some imagery which could be displayed or distributed, and a brief workshop exercise involving photographer Miselo Kunda was squeezed in at the end (after most participants had left) to try and explore this.

The final discussion which created the theme for this was to do with dignity. The participants felt that the bigger issues were out of reach, yet there were state practices that they felt simply unnecessary and designed to undermine them as human beings, removing any sense of dignity they may have. For example, shopping vouchers restrict their shopping to just one supermarket, and mean they can not make use of good prices between different shops which should be a basic facility for people on such low incomes. To give them cash would make no difference to the Home Office (in fact may be cheaper) and would make a big difference to them. The effect is to make them feel second class or lower, and this affects their own self image and sense of worth. Another example was regular signing at a police station, making them feel criminalised. They felt raising such things could be useful beginnings to try to effect some influence, and the theme of dignity became the basis for the workshop exercise.

Despite the various difficulties, I felt that to try and develop an expression from a combination of the personal and collective experiences of the group informed by wider contexts is a valuable process and would lead to worthwhile outputs for the participants as well. Unfortunately, I have a concern that as a one-off session it may have come across to the participants as the same discussions they have had before and with no worthwhile benefit from it. Sue Arnall may well clarify this for us. When some initial images are shared with the group, they may give some ideas as to how such discussions could develop into worthwhile statements and expressions that can have some valuable influence, but of course this ideally would need further development. KC

Trafford Teahouse Discussion

Waterside Art Centre, 27th August 2008

"Is Black History also White History?"





A poem form the comments book:

KEEP HOPE ALIVE
WE MUST LEARN AND STRIVE
TRUE, HUNGRY FOR PEACE
ALL HISTORIES MUST BE RELEASED
TO HAVE PRIDE AND STAND STRONG
WE MUST KNOW WHERE WE BELONG
IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE OPEN, TALK
WITH LOVE AND PEACE WE MUST WALK
HAIL TO THE FUTURE, LEARN FROM THE PAST
LET'S TOGETHER CREATE A PRAYER THAT WILL LAST.

Anthony Downer


A comment from Dominique:

Thank you for inviting me to join the TEA-HOUSE discussion. Although late, I really enjoyed the various conversations held with newly-met people and would like to share with you + the rest of the group the following:

When Lilli mentioned the fact she came from Austria, I told her of the Austrian community and of Sigmund Freud. And I wondered Lilli if you would like to share your thoughts with the group on hearing that in the 19th century there was an Austrian community in Manchester + Sigmund Freud lived in Manchester. A key shaper of our culture, Sigmund Freud had family residing in Manchester + visited the city on several occasions. In 1875 he spent a couple of months at 12 Green St, Ardwick (Manchester). I think that his family wanted him to abandon his dreams of a scientific career + join the family business.The connection is quite interesting, as Sigmund Freud has such an impact on the way we define ourselves and his focus on memories + totems. Also interesting was the fact that he was a collector of African Art.

I left Sale wondering when we will be ready to drop the colourlabels but present History in a way relevant (+attractive) to us all? Black or White, History is ours. History is the records of our migrations + holds the clue to our respective journeys. Questions such as: Where do I come from? or words such as: origins, genealogy, emotions carry the idea of movement from one point to another. Speaking of movement, the history of the Manchester Ship Canal is absolutely amazing as it links Manchester to the rest of the world. For example, thanks to the Manchester Ship Canal, Manchester became UK's banana capital. Anyway, I will end this email by talking about green tea which was exported from Manchester to Morocco. Tea is an interesting commodity as it plays a prominent role not only in Black, White or local histories; embedded in its history are other histories. I guess my point is that in order to attract the young + the new audiences and encourage them to engage with history, we should consider using a non-racialised approach. This could be an efficient political tool. So far when it comes to diversity, the focus has been on differences, it is probably high time we ask ourselves whether we shouldn't develop alternative strategies.

I look forward to hearing from you,

Very best wishes: Dominique